Episode 19: 2012 US Elections for Dummies (and We’re the Dummies)

19 Nov

Our (not very timely) thoughts about the US elections, including both our pre-election speculation as well as our post-election musings. Don’t worry, there won’t be another episode like this for years to come.

Politics, much like religion, is an unusually divisive issue for many people. To be clear, the content of this episode is based on our personal experiences and backgrounds, so please do not regard this episode as prescriptive in any way.

The first part of the episode was recorded one day before voting day, and we spoke about some of the issues, candidates, and what we thought might happen. The second part was after the elections and we focused on some of the interesting outcomes.

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Posted by on November 19, 2012 in New Episode, Rants


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4 responses to “Episode 19: 2012 US Elections for Dummies (and We’re the Dummies)

  1. ff42

    November 20, 2012 at 1:28 am


    You might want to check your assumptions about the government ending slavery. Government schools teach us differently, but it was actually government agents are the ones that prolonged slavery by enforcing ‘the law’ (i.e., returning slaves to their owners). Brazil ended slavery without wars by doing just that, stop enforcing these bad ownership laws.

  2. nontheology

    November 20, 2012 at 3:43 am

    ff42, I’m wondering if you might clarify a bit. Yes, the abolition of slavery in Brazil came about without a civil war, thought the government was undoubtedly involved in the process. I probably chose a poor example to try and illustrate my point. I guess my question is, what mechanisms would exist in a purely free market system that would end slavery?

    To expand a bit on what I said, having a government doesn’t guarantee that slavery will be abolished in a society in which it is already practiced. It is my position however a government can best provide and enforce a regulatory framework in labor markets to more effectively end slavery than would be possible in a purely free market system. I don’t know if that addresses your point, but I appreciate the feedback.

    • Rnegade

      December 3, 2012 at 7:22 am

      I’ve looked but I can’t seem to find a way to contact you guys outside of replying to a comment, so here goes nothing.

      I’ve been listening to your Mormon podcasts, I’m a big fan but I have a soft spot for it, since I used to be one. I grew up in the religion and I just wanted to give some insight. I forget who asked but one of you mentioned that you didn’t know why anyone would ever attend BYU. But, for most Mormon kids, BYU is the natural next step to take after completing high school. For guys, they go on a mission at 19, usually after a year of college and/or working. They come back at 21 and start looking for that eternal companion, since that is one of the most important events in your life. Without being married in a temple, you can’t get into the Celestial Kingdom (Mormon heaven). And in order to get into a temple you need to be A) righteous and 2) Mormon. So, it’s extremely important that you fancy another Mormon. And what better place to find a Mormon than a university filled with Mormon peers who are looking for the same thing?

      I never found a Mormon who fancied me but it’s better off this way anyway, since I ended up becoming an atheist at BYU (those two events are not completely unrelated).

  3. InvincibleIronyMan

    December 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    It made me laugh when you said “people really demonize successful businesses”. You must have a funny idea of successful considering you are referring to businesses that required multi-billion dollar bailouts from the government to stay solvent!

    Also, you don’t mention that although in most cases the banks weren’t doing anything illegal, the banks and the people who run them were instrumental in removing the laws which were supposed to regulate the banks and prevent them from engaging in the (what can only be described charitably as) highly irresponsible business practices that led to the financial meltdown.

    I’d recommend heartily Griftopia by Matt Taibbi for an insight into the financial crisis of 2008.


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